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		<title>By: Evelyn Buck</title>
		<link>http://auroracitizen.ca/2012/05/13/farmers-in-it-up-to-their-ears/#comment-12562</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evelyn Buck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 22:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is an interesting comment. The writer takes responsibility for providing assurance of quality of town service. .But does so anonymously. Why dat?
What does he/she mean by a seamless Council?
What is it you want? A Council that meekly conforms to a single idea at all times?
Or never challenges staff advice even when it is not acceptable?
Or is it deemed to be always acceptable no matter how ridiculous?
Is that unacceptable conduct from a Councillor?
Nine people sit around a table, representing a community of fifty-six thousand.Should unanimity and equanimity be the rule of order at all times?
Is that what&#039;s meant by seamless or half as seamless?
Is it the same as witless or half as witless?
Or robotic or half robotic? 
Maybe comatose would be an acceptable definition of seamless.
No visible signs of life.
Such a Council has never been seen in the town of Aurora. I would not expect one any time soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting comment. The writer takes responsibility for providing assurance of quality of town service. .But does so anonymously. Why dat?<br />
What does he/she mean by a seamless Council?<br />
What is it you want? A Council that meekly conforms to a single idea at all times?<br />
Or never challenges staff advice even when it is not acceptable?<br />
Or is it deemed to be always acceptable no matter how ridiculous?<br />
Is that unacceptable conduct from a Councillor?<br />
Nine people sit around a table, representing a community of fifty-six thousand.Should unanimity and equanimity be the rule of order at all times?<br />
Is that what&#8217;s meant by seamless or half as seamless?<br />
Is it the same as witless or half as witless?<br />
Or robotic or half robotic?<br />
Maybe comatose would be an acceptable definition of seamless.<br />
No visible signs of life.<br />
Such a Council has never been seen in the town of Aurora. I would not expect one any time soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://auroracitizen.ca/2012/05/13/farmers-in-it-up-to-their-ears/#comment-12374</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 17:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anonymous Of Course pretty well nails it. Almost everyone in town is oblivious to the local blogs, and to the &#039;issues&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous Of Course pretty well nails it. Almost everyone in town is oblivious to the local blogs, and to the &#8216;issues&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://auroracitizen.ca/2012/05/13/farmers-in-it-up-to-their-ears/#comment-12365</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 00:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We are really behind here but tomorrow is Market Day so there is time to catch up. We need to know if there are still 6 hold-outs and if those who did sign in a hurry have had second thoughts and asked for their copies to be returned. It might have been straightened out. But judging from the comments of the current head and the former head, it did not look good. It is frightening when the former leader refers to her period as her &#039; reign &quot;. If they pull the plug and drop the threatening gestures maybe, just maybe, we can settle in to watch and see.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are really behind here but tomorrow is Market Day so there is time to catch up. We need to know if there are still 6 hold-outs and if those who did sign in a hurry have had second thoughts and asked for their copies to be returned. It might have been straightened out. But judging from the comments of the current head and the former head, it did not look good. It is frightening when the former leader refers to her period as her &#8216; reign &#8220;. If they pull the plug and drop the threatening gestures maybe, just maybe, we can settle in to watch and see.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://auroracitizen.ca/2012/05/13/farmers-in-it-up-to-their-ears/#comment-12361</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 17:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It has recently come to my attention that the ownership of the company that collects our garbage/yard waste has changed hands. Apparently there was some concern as to how this might affect our service.

Well, there has been no change whatsoever in service or in collection times. The changeover was seamless. Congratulations to the people involved at both the collection company and on town staff.

It would be nice to think that our Council could function just half as seamlessly. Is that possible?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has recently come to my attention that the ownership of the company that collects our garbage/yard waste has changed hands. Apparently there was some concern as to how this might affect our service.</p>
<p>Well, there has been no change whatsoever in service or in collection times. The changeover was seamless. Congratulations to the people involved at both the collection company and on town staff.</p>
<p>It would be nice to think that our Council could function just half as seamlessly. Is that possible?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous of course</title>
		<link>http://auroracitizen.ca/2012/05/13/farmers-in-it-up-to-their-ears/#comment-12356</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous of course]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 01:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;grind through our lives&quot;?  For real?  Maybe you should get an actual life and you won&#039;t find it so grinding.  It seems to me that 54,988 people do have an &quot;impact&quot; by their blissful ignorance of what the dozen or so of us find interesting on this blog.
Excuse me, my life is calling...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;grind through our lives&#8221;?  For real?  Maybe you should get an actual life and you won&#8217;t find it so grinding.  It seems to me that 54,988 people do have an &#8220;impact&#8221; by their blissful ignorance of what the dozen or so of us find interesting on this blog.<br />
Excuse me, my life is calling&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://auroracitizen.ca/2012/05/13/farmers-in-it-up-to-their-ears/#comment-12330</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 00:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Several members did not sign the code and several signed it without being aware of what they were hurried to sign.
The individual who may have said something to initiate the conductive clauses has been identified.
They were the talk of the market today.Do they have grounds to take this to the Human Rights Commission?
Any legal eagles care to comment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several members did not sign the code and several signed it without being aware of what they were hurried to sign.<br />
The individual who may have said something to initiate the conductive clauses has been identified.<br />
They were the talk of the market today.Do they have grounds to take this to the Human Rights Commission?<br />
Any legal eagles care to comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://auroracitizen.ca/2012/05/13/farmers-in-it-up-to-their-ears/#comment-12294</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 01:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alison teaches ethics at York. She can keep a confidence. If she says the code is legally wrong, it is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alison teaches ethics at York. She can keep a confidence. If she says the code is legally wrong, it is.</p>
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		<title>By: same old, Same old</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[same old, Same old]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 01:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That Jam Lady aimed her weapon at one vendor. She did not even consider the customers or the possibility that they might take umbrage and simply walk away from her domain. The thing should be used with the weekend fireworks or there will  be some unanticipated ones in Aurora.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Jam Lady aimed her weapon at one vendor. She did not even consider the customers or the possibility that they might take umbrage and simply walk away from her domain. The thing should be used with the weekend fireworks or there will  be some unanticipated ones in Aurora.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim the Enchanter</title>
		<link>http://auroracitizen.ca/2012/05/13/farmers-in-it-up-to-their-ears/#comment-12292</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim the Enchanter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 22:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know it&#039;s frustrating but it happens elsewhere too.  
Aurora&#039;s particular problem is that the Town - in particular Town council both past and present have failed to live up their responsibilities.
This has led to an unacceptable level of ambiguity when it comes to management and control of programs like the Farmers Market. 
In some cases I believe the &quot;door&quot; was intentionally left open so &quot;friends&quot; of council could do grab their little piece of &quot;turf&quot; and a catchy title to go with it. 
Other cases I believe result from an honest intent for the process to be more &quot;inclusionary&quot; and not cause &quot;offense&quot;
No matter.
The result has been &quot;you are responsible but I&#039;m in charge&quot; or &quot;You pay but we have control&quot; 
Farmer&#039;s Market and the Aurora People&#039;s Directorate for State Sanctioned Culture are two glaring examples.
This is why we now have yet another &quot;Made in Aurora&quot;  SillyStorm because even though the Town issues the permits somehow a hitherto unknown person who apparently makes &quot;jam&quot; says she has signing authority.
WTF?
And they&#039;ve come up with some Kafkaesque code of &quot;control&quot; so if you bad-mouth the Royal Family you go to prison - just like in Thailand.
Are you SERIOUS?


It&#039;s the Town&#039;s problem. 
The Town must fix it by deciding if they&#039;re running this market or not. 
 
And Wellington Street STILL hasn&#039;t been paved 
 
BTW - for those who care - here are the rules 

“Farmers&#039; Market” is a seasonal, multi-vendor, community-driven (not private) organization selling agricultural, food, art and craft products including home-grown produce, home-made crafts and value-added products where the MAJORITY OF vendors are primary producers (including preserves, baked goods, meat, fish, dairy products, etc.) Each member Farmers&#039; Market has a vote at a meeting of the General Membership.

&quot;Public Market&quot; is usually a municipally owned/operated (not private) year-round operation consisting of unique, specialty food and crafts merchants who sell some products they produce or grow themselves but who often sell items they buy from local producers or wholesalers. Public Markets usually include local producers during the growing season. Each member Public Market has a vote at a meeting of the General Membership.

&quot;Neighbourhood Farmers&#039;/Community Partnership Market&quot; is a community driven (not private) multi-vendor seasonal or year-round market featuring primary producers and other vendors suited to the interests/needs of a particular neighbourhood or community (e.g. local prepared food makers, fair-trade and organic product vendors). Vendors may sell items they have not produced to enhance selection and keep the market viable year-round, thereby, increasing customer loyalty and sales of local storage crops, meats etc., however, farmers&#039;, producers&#039; and growers&#039; own products take priority. Each Neighbourhood Farmers&#039;/Community Partnership Market has a vote at a meeting of the General Membership.

“Associate” is an individual or an organization that supports the Mission Statement and the goals of the organization but does not fit the description of a Farmers&#039; or Public Market. Associate Members do not have a vote at a meeting of the General Membership and an Associate member cannot be a voting member of the Board of Directors]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it&#8217;s frustrating but it happens elsewhere too.<br />
Aurora&#8217;s particular problem is that the Town &#8211; in particular Town council both past and present have failed to live up their responsibilities.<br />
This has led to an unacceptable level of ambiguity when it comes to management and control of programs like the Farmers Market.<br />
In some cases I believe the &#8220;door&#8221; was intentionally left open so &#8220;friends&#8221; of council could do grab their little piece of &#8220;turf&#8221; and a catchy title to go with it.<br />
Other cases I believe result from an honest intent for the process to be more &#8220;inclusionary&#8221; and not cause &#8220;offense&#8221;<br />
No matter.<br />
The result has been &#8220;you are responsible but I&#8217;m in charge&#8221; or &#8220;You pay but we have control&#8221;<br />
Farmer&#8217;s Market and the Aurora People&#8217;s Directorate for State Sanctioned Culture are two glaring examples.<br />
This is why we now have yet another &#8220;Made in Aurora&#8221;  SillyStorm because even though the Town issues the permits somehow a hitherto unknown person who apparently makes &#8220;jam&#8221; says she has signing authority.<br />
WTF?<br />
And they&#8217;ve come up with some Kafkaesque code of &#8220;control&#8221; so if you bad-mouth the Royal Family you go to prison &#8211; just like in Thailand.<br />
Are you SERIOUS?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the Town&#8217;s problem.<br />
The Town must fix it by deciding if they&#8217;re running this market or not. </p>
<p>And Wellington Street STILL hasn&#8217;t been paved </p>
<p>BTW &#8211; for those who care &#8211; here are the rules </p>
<p>“Farmers&#8217; Market” is a seasonal, multi-vendor, community-driven (not private) organization selling agricultural, food, art and craft products including home-grown produce, home-made crafts and value-added products where the MAJORITY OF vendors are primary producers (including preserves, baked goods, meat, fish, dairy products, etc.) Each member Farmers&#8217; Market has a vote at a meeting of the General Membership.</p>
<p>&#8220;Public Market&#8221; is usually a municipally owned/operated (not private) year-round operation consisting of unique, specialty food and crafts merchants who sell some products they produce or grow themselves but who often sell items they buy from local producers or wholesalers. Public Markets usually include local producers during the growing season. Each member Public Market has a vote at a meeting of the General Membership.</p>
<p>&#8220;Neighbourhood Farmers&#8217;/Community Partnership Market&#8221; is a community driven (not private) multi-vendor seasonal or year-round market featuring primary producers and other vendors suited to the interests/needs of a particular neighbourhood or community (e.g. local prepared food makers, fair-trade and organic product vendors). Vendors may sell items they have not produced to enhance selection and keep the market viable year-round, thereby, increasing customer loyalty and sales of local storage crops, meats etc., however, farmers&#8217;, producers&#8217; and growers&#8217; own products take priority. Each Neighbourhood Farmers&#8217;/Community Partnership Market has a vote at a meeting of the General Membership.</p>
<p>“Associate” is an individual or an organization that supports the Mission Statement and the goals of the organization but does not fit the description of a Farmers&#8217; or Public Market. Associate Members do not have a vote at a meeting of the General Membership and an Associate member cannot be a voting member of the Board of Directors</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://auroracitizen.ca/2012/05/13/farmers-in-it-up-to-their-ears/#comment-12289</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 21:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Man, they really want that block of condos instead of a new town building for everyone&#039;s enjoyment. No money in it for them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, they really want that block of condos instead of a new town building for everyone&#8217;s enjoyment. No money in it for them.</p>
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